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Offline George

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Re: TM Racing
« Reply #30 on: March 24, 2011, 05:45:59 AM »
The way everyone is talking, they are focussing on the sales being high because they are 2 strokes, yes they are great bikes, but TM also make top of the range 4 strokes that could tempt 4 strokers from jap bikes aswell, so you can have a win win situation with the right marketing and publicity  :D

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Re: TM Racing
« Reply #31 on: March 24, 2011, 12:33:41 PM »
www.tmukonline.net come on in the waters lovely..........................

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« Reply #32 on: March 24, 2011, 12:50:51 PM »
I have already decided my next MX bike is going to be a TM 250. I just cannot get over all the great reviews, support, and the craftsmanship involved. Leave it to the Italians to make another great product.
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« Reply #33 on: March 24, 2011, 02:32:30 PM »
Leave it to the Italians to make another great product.

Sort of like the old Ducatis that were famous for having fruit flies in the clearcoat  :D
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« Reply #34 on: March 24, 2011, 11:23:43 PM »
Leave it to the Italians to make another great product.

Sort of like the old Ducatis that were famous for having fruit flies in the clearcoat  :D
HaHa yep exactly like that. TM's have a real handbuilt feel, and the quirks to go with that.

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« Reply #35 on: March 24, 2011, 11:51:26 PM »
Leave it to the Italians to make another great product.

Sort of like the old Ducatis that were famous for having fruit flies in the clearcoat  :D
HaHa yep exactly like that. TM's have a real handbuilt feel, and the quirks to go with that.

As a bike rider, fabricator, and engineer, I love the TMs.

They are gorgeous things to behold, and work pretty damned well, too.


I've had a fair bit bit of involvement with them, with a few friends owning them, and one in particular being a supported rider of the OZ distributors for a few years. So I don't look at them through rose coloured glasses. You can look at one, and amongst the beautiful engineering, you'll come across something that you'd expect on a twin pipe CZ. When they get it wrong, they really excel themselves :o. I've had to do a bit of remedial engineering to each of his bikes.

But, they have been progressively getting rid of these types of things, and I'm hard put, with the latest models, to find fault with them.

Their 4ts started out with quite a few problems. Mention TM 4ts to 2 of my mates and they go very quiet, or very loud, and not from good experiences - all sorts of problems, the nastiest of which were cases that 'popped' / spilt across gear shaft bearing housings, locking up the engines in a spectacular fashion. Especially spectacular when you're right behind one when it 'popped' - quite the train wreck. But, that's a few years ago, and I'm sure they have moved on - the reports I read and hear are pretty good on the 4ts now. The new CCM, if it's ever released, will come with a TM engine.

Fantastic bikes, with some quirks. The world is a Much better place with companies like TM producing something other than 'cookie cutter' bikes.

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Re: TM Racing
« Reply #36 on: March 25, 2011, 02:56:24 AM »
I've a 2001 model Tm125 which I picked up having no idea of it's history.
Bought it for no other reason apart from being unique and cheap (which in reality is a risky combination) it has been abaolsutely brilliant since.
In the 6 months I have owned it I have probably taken it out 5 - 10 times, haven't touched the motor and it's been perfectly reliable. Will have to give the old girl a freshen up as a reward for being so good.

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Re: TM Racing
« Reply #37 on: March 26, 2011, 05:51:55 AM »
They sound a lot like my Berg-typically euro I suppose.It was an excellent machine with many forward thinking ideas-and the performance to match.The only thing was,you had to finish it yourself(for lack of a better way of explaining it) for it to realize it's potential.No big deal but probably not a bike for the mechanically spastic.
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Re: TM Racing
« Reply #38 on: March 26, 2011, 12:22:50 PM »
I don't see how working on a 2 stroke TM would be difficult.
I've seen a few of them, they're very simple. Even the powervalves are a piece of cake.
125 TM is also used for karting. But their services might be different in the US...?
The TM dealers in my area will set it up for your weight and abilities, and jet it near your house,
for your area. They hand it over to you when you are 100% happy with it.
All 4 TM dealers in my area do this. They have a service guy with a van,
when they deliver it at your house or track, they won't leave untill your're happy with your TM.
Good personal service. Almost a factory feel!

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Re: TM Racing
« Reply #39 on: March 26, 2011, 06:16:05 PM »
I don't see how working on a 2 stroke TM would be difficult.

Certainly not but at times,you simply need specifications,clearances,torque values etc.I just found it odd that it was the only bike I'd ever heard tell of without an available service manual or download.Maybe that's not the case now.Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
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Re: TM Racing
« Reply #40 on: March 26, 2011, 09:26:21 PM »
TM Owner Manuals are here;

http://www.tm-racingforum.nl/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=64

http://tmracingmotorcycles.com/support/parts/

http://tmracingmotorcycles.com/support/owners-manuals/

The Torque tightenings, and many other usefull information are in the first link!!^^^^^^

Suspension manual;
http://tmracingmotorcycles.com/support/suspension-tuning-manuals/

Some miscellanious stuff;
http://www.cross-shop.eu/Webshop/index.php?item=tm-originele-onderdelen&action=page&group_id=31&lang=NL

http://www.tmracing.it/eng/downloads.php


Here you find lots of info on setup etc;
http://www.tm-nederland.nl/downloads.html
(also click on model-years, on the left hand side. There's some clearance values, but no torque chart..)


But i guess Barker Brothers, or Pete Vitrano (or TSM soon, maybe!)
will be able to help you also, with TM questions. There's also a TM Racing forum..








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Re: TM Racing
« Reply #41 on: April 01, 2011, 04:11:38 PM »
The only anoying quirk i have with mine is the kick start knuckle is slightly worn and at certain revs it vibrates on the expansion chamber and sounds like a cracked piston. :o
There is very little room between frame and exhaust.
It scared the shit out of me first time I heard it.
I have learnt to live with it rather then spend money on a kick start I don't need.
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Re: TM Racing
« Reply #42 on: April 01, 2011, 04:22:56 PM »
I totally know how that feels, even though I don't have a TM, the kicker on my KX was touching the pipe and driving me nuts!! I cut a piece of old inner tube about 1 1/2 " long and long enough to wrap around the kicker with a double overlap where it touches the pipe, position it where it is touching and zip tie it on with two ties one on the top and one on the bottom. Be sure to point the overlapping piece towards the back to reduce wind drag  ;D
If a pair of 2" brass balls isn't working, I doubt that the 3" model will make much difference.

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Re: TM Racing
« Reply #43 on: April 01, 2011, 05:46:50 PM »
Lol,one of my KTM's was the same way.The first time I heard it I thought-WTF is that!  :o
It was solved with a slight pipe repositioning and a small piece of rubber about the size of a tire valve cap glued on to the side case such that the kicker contacted that just before it would have contacted the pipe.
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Re: TM Racing
« Reply #44 on: April 01, 2011, 05:54:17 PM »
TM Owner Manuals are here;

http://www.tm-racingforum.nl/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=64

http://tmracingmotorcycles.com/support/parts/

http://tmracingmotorcycles.com/support/owners-manuals/

The Torque tightenings, and many other usefull information are in the first link!!^^^^^^

Suspension manual;
http://tmracingmotorcycles.com/support/suspension-tuning-manuals/

Some miscellanious stuff;
http://www.cross-shop.eu/Webshop/index.php?item=tm-originele-onderdelen&action=page&group_id=31&lang=NL

http://www.tmracing.it/eng/downloads.php


Here you find lots of info on setup etc;
http://www.tm-nederland.nl/downloads.html
(also click on model-years, on the left hand side. There's some clearance values, but no torque chart..)


But i guess Barker Brothers, or Pete Vitrano (or TSM soon, maybe!)
will be able to help you also, with TM questions. There's also a TM Racing forum..










Interesting and helpful but still not a real service manual.At 11:00 on a fri night when I need a clearance,endplay or some other spec I want it now,I don't want to chase around the net to find what other people guess.Almost a deal breaker for me-almost.
On the upside,GasGas has full manuals. :)
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