Surprised you guys aren't talking about this yet....

[Premixed]

apparently with the FIM banning four strokes for riders under 15 in several Euro countries, Suzuki has decided to release aluminum framed RM 125s.  They are in development now, and will be released as '13 models, supposedly.  This coming from a suzuki test rider in Europe.. completely second hand, but I would like to think it is true, and I will have my name on the list for the first one in my area if it is.

[chump6784]

have heard so many rumours on new suzuki's that until there is a press release from suzuki i will not get my hopes up. i was thinking about it yesterday though, would the aluminium frame on the rmz weigh more than the current steel frame or would they develop a whole new frame for it.

the main thing i dont understand is why would suzuki be working on a new two stroke when they dont even import their adult size 2 stroke line into the biggest dirt bike market in the world

[dbroc78]

I like this.. maybe some hope for the 125. Kudos to Euro, I hear Italy started this movement.

[twosmoke595]

apparently with the FIM banning four strokes for riders under 15 in several Euro countries, Suzuki has decided to release aluminum framed RM 125s.  They are in development now, and will be released as '13 models, supposedly.  This coming from a suzuki test rider in Europe.. completely second hand, but I would like to think it is true, and I will have my name on the list for the first one in my area if it is.

any chance you would give us a link to where you got this info?

[chump6784]

It was one of the last comments in a thread on vital. The thread was about Italy banning 4 strokes for anyone under 15. No one on vital responded to it.

[twosmoke595]

oh ok, i try to avoid vital's forum, they're usually a bunch of people who just bash whatever you post, definitely not a friendly vibe

[cnrcpla]

That would be a cool looking RM if they actually did it.

[Dirtsaw]

I just don't get all this hype bout 450's being "easier and less tiring".  I rode a dude's 450 XC and he rode my 02 yz250 the other day.  First thing I noticed, as I notice on every 450 I ride, is how dead and flat the suspension feels.  But my arms were immediately more tired riding that beast then my 250.  The trails were whooped out sand with perfect bermed sweepers.  I know for a fact I am very much faster on my 250 then I ever could be on a 450.  And when we switched back his comment bout my bike was he was surprised at how much power it has.  It's an 02 YZ250 with an 05 Cyl. and a fatty pipe.  Nothing else.  Just because they have more torque, they have more girth to throw around and to me they are harder to go fast on when you actually have to turn at speed.  Just my opinion..

[Premixed]

have heard so many rumours on new suzuki's that until there is a press release from suzuki i will not get my hopes up. i was thinking about it yesterday though, would the aluminium frame on the rmz weigh more than the current steel frame or would they develop a whole new frame for it.

the main thing i dont understand is why would suzuki be working on a new two stroke when they dont even import their adult size 2 stroke line into the biggest dirt bike market in the world

Correct, however all those rumors were prior to the FIM ban on four strokes for under-15 riders.  This rule change changes the ball game.  The real question is, would they develop a new motor for it to get it up there with the KTM125 that is now 7 years in development ahead of the RM.  The KTM 125 is a real corker the last couple years.  It'll take a lot more than an aluminum frame for he RM to compare to it.  I was just getting ready to go gran an 05+ RM used until i heard about this, now I am going to hold off for a few months and see if something materializes. IF not, no big deal, life goes on.

[SwapperMX]

oh ok, i try to avoid vital's forum, they're usually a bunch of people who just bash whatever you post, definitely not a friendly vibe

Vital is good, with a whole lot of industry guys and riders that post there, and a good source of "behind the scenes" info. You will only get beat on if you post two stroke/four stroke conspiracy theories and the like. Other than that, you will be fine.

[TMKIWI]

Vital is good, with a whole lot of industry guys and riders that post there, and a good source of "behind the scenes" info. You will only get beat on if you post two stroke/four stroke conspiracy theories and the like. Other than that, you will be fine.

Really ?
I don't even bother anymore. Doesn't matter what the subject is there is always some dickhead calling you out.
I have better things to do with my time.

[VintageBlueSmoke]

I just don't get all this hype bout 450's being "easier and less tiring".  I rode a dude's 450 XC and he rode my 02 yz250 the other day.  First thing I noticed, as I notice on every 450 I ride, is how dead and flat the suspension feels.  But my arms were immediately more tired riding that beast then my 250.  The trails were whooped out sand with perfect bermed sweepers.  I know for a fact I am very much faster on my 250 then I ever could be on a 450.  And when we switched back his comment bout my bike was he was surprised at how much power it has.  It's an 02 YZ250 with an 05 Cyl. and a fatty pipe.  Nothing else.  Just because they have more torque, they have more girth to throw around and to me they are harder to go fast on when you actually have to turn at speed.  Just my opinion..

It's not that they are easier to ride...it's that it is easier to put the power to the ground and application of power. For a less skilled rider, they can just turn the throttle and go, no need to worry about tire spin, clutch release, or proper weighting. Putting the power to the ground is 90% of the game.

Actually, that is one of the reasons the mags all claim the 4$ is faster. If you put a pro rider out there, he is going the "ride it like a 2T" with slipping the clutch in the corners, rolling one the throttle for maximum traction, and proper riding techniques. The few extra HP that are available to the bigger bore 4$ are going to make themselves known in his lap times. If the mag put a C rider out there, his lap times would be faster than on the 2T because the application of power to the ground is easier. More hookup. More speed.

Like you mentioned, the quicker and lighter "feel" of the 2T make them "easier" on the body but then to go the same speed, you have to work it more.

[EJ]

This age rule is also here in The Netherlands.
It's a fact that even the current RM125's, from 2004 onwards, are still very competitive and popular.
In europe, the RM125 is still the cheapest way to get into MX on an adult-size motocross bike.
I'm curious to see the renewed RM's.
I heard that the big Japs had a 10 year no 2 stroke R&D - rule, started from 2006 wich expires in 2016.
Kawasaki also still sells their minibikes, and thru several select dealers, you can get KX125, and KX250 special editions.
Seems like Honda is the only manufacturer that is still 100% anti 2 stroke...

[Coop]

Really ?
I don't even bother anymore. Doesn't matter what the subject is there is always some dickhead calling you out.
I have better things to do with my time.

Exactly. Same reason I stopped going there and the same reason I am maybe a little to quick to edit posts here. I don't want to see TSM turn into Vital. Respect for others is rule one here.

[eprovenzano]

Amen to that Coop...  We are adults, and we do try (most of the time) to act accordingly.  I have no issues with and in fact I enjoy it when someone disagrees with my opinion.  Hopefully I will expand my knowledge but if we cannot agree, then we can agree to disagree...  no harm no foul..  That's why we are here, to exhange ideas, some good, some not so good   . 

As for the new RM's I'm sorry but I've heard and read so many different rumors over the years, that until I see a "new" bike, to me its just another internet rumor.  I hope I'm wrong...  but for now I have a wait and see attitude.  I hope this gives the other MFG's a change to get into the game...  TM, KTM, and all the smaller MFG's really need to step up their game and go after this market.  Invest now to reap rewards in the future...