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New YZR 500cc Fuel Injected 2 Stroke - Finally here....
« on: June 22, 2012, 06:38:02 AM »
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Re: New YZR 500cc Fuel Injected 2 Stroke - Finally here....
« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2012, 06:40:32 AM »
for the record I still prefer my Carb... cos I love the hit, each to their own though hey..

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Re: New YZR 500cc Fuel Injected 2 Stroke - Finally here....
« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2012, 07:25:30 AM »
for the record I still prefer my Carb... cos I love the hit, each to their own though hey..

the cool thinig about the fi is that you can tune it the way you want, so whoever buys a bike can have it hit hard, or have it smoothed out  ;D
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Re: New YZR 500cc Fuel Injected 2 Stroke - Finally here....
« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2012, 08:27:42 AM »
And whichever way they choose to set it up, the engine feel will be a total fake.... Just an illusionary mock up of the real power curve of a better motorcycle.
I think 4 stroke dirtbikes are a phase, kind of like "Glam Rock" in a way. You see the whole world subscribing to it, and you wonder how everyone could be choking down so much Kool Aid and Spam... Then 10 Years later, nothing's left but the timeless stuff from before and after..

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Re: New YZR 500cc Fuel Injected 2 Stroke - Finally here....
« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2012, 09:17:02 AM »
the future looks fun

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Re: New YZR 500cc Fuel Injected 2 Stroke - Finally here....
« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2012, 10:16:26 AM »
The thing has some beans!

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Re: New YZR 500cc Fuel Injected 2 Stroke - Finally here....
« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2012, 11:36:21 AM »
I'm sure the fule injected kettle is a great technical achievment. And I'm sure it required a HUGE effort to produce and tune, so it's creators deserve a lot of credit.

BUT

It's still not as good as the real thing, UNLESS the thrill for you is the fact that your bike is environmental. If you are looking for the best performance... then it's not so great.

I think 4 stroke dirtbikes are a phase, kind of like "Glam Rock" in a way. You see the whole world subscribing to it, and you wonder how everyone could be choking down so much Kool Aid and Spam... Then 10 Years later, nothing's left but the timeless stuff from before and after..

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Re: New YZR 500cc Fuel Injected 2 Stroke - Finally here....
« Reply #7 on: June 22, 2012, 12:24:18 PM »
The concept of the 'real thing' is subjective

Let's agree to disagree :)

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Re: New YZR 500cc Fuel Injected 2 Stroke - Finally here....
« Reply #8 on: June 22, 2012, 01:02:51 PM »
What a brilliant bike, sure seems to look like it runs and behaves like a 2t to me. certainly still sounds like one and looks bloody fast.

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Re: New YZR 500cc Fuel Injected 2 Stroke - Finally here....
« Reply #9 on: June 22, 2012, 05:56:12 PM »
Nek Minnut............................................................. :D
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Re: New YZR 500cc Fuel Injected 2 Stroke - Finally here....
« Reply #10 on: June 22, 2012, 06:13:03 PM »
the best sound in the world!! i had forgotten what a CR 500 sounded like almost.
Sounds and looks pretty awesome pretty awesome to me........What a beast  :D :D :D
I want one :D :D
F**K THE WHALES......................SAVE THE 2 STROKE!!!!

The hardest part about riding a 4 stroke is telling your parents your Gay!!

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Re: New YZR 500cc Fuel Injected 2 Stroke - Finally here....
« Reply #11 on: June 22, 2012, 10:22:03 PM »
Unless there is a way to tune the air entering the engine as well it is not really possible to do this with FI alone. The proper mixture is roughly 15:1 air to fuel. The FI could tweak that but then, just like a carb, too much gas would blubber and too little would overhead and seize. Now if the computer can vary the timing as well then you can tweak the powerband a bit and if you can remap the throttle opening relative to the wrist position THEN this can really be made to happen. But just having FI does not mean automatic 'Put the powerband where you want it".

Also relative to the comments about a FI bike not being a "real" two stroke, I don't buy that either. The fuel will burn properly at 15:1 -- it doesn't care one wit about how it is mixed as long as its at the spark plug at that ratio. FI can provide more accurate metering at all rpms and throttle settings if done right but replacing a carb with a proper FI should just make a bike run all around incrementally better (again, if its done right with all the appropriate sensors, yada yada).

And yes, FI/DI is more complex. But then again so are power valves, water pumps, disk brakes and all the stuff my 1973 yamaha 360 doesn't have and still seem to have been made to work ok on today's bikes. Just my $0.02...

Cleaning up a 2T motor would allow it to be a modern dual sport "smoker"  and that is MY holy grail.


for the record I still prefer my Carb... cos I love the hit, each to their own though hey..

the cool thinig about the fi is that you can tune it the way you want, so whoever buys a bike can have it hit hard, or have it smoothed out  ;D
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Re: New YZR 500cc Fuel Injected 2 Stroke - Finally here....
« Reply #12 on: June 22, 2012, 10:26:23 PM »
Does anyone know where the FI for this bike was sourced from and if it runs a battery?

Direct injection will greatly reduce scavenging losses and you will see a significant improvement in performance.

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Re: New YZR 500cc Fuel Injected 2 Stroke - Finally here....
« Reply #13 on: June 22, 2012, 11:15:30 PM »
One idea for the real gizmo geek on this bike...

The guy keeps talking about keeping the front end down. wonder if its possible to put some sort of accelerometer and/or gyro system in it so it would not let the front end higher than a set amount (45 degrees?) before it starts cutting power. Then you could pin it all you want and never worry about a loop. Wonder if anyone has ever tried that before?
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Re: New YZR 500cc Fuel Injected 2 Stroke - Finally here....
« Reply #14 on: June 23, 2012, 12:00:38 AM »
One idea for the real gizmo geek on this bike...

The guy keeps talking about keeping the front end down. wonder if its possible to put some sort of accelerometer and/or gyro system in it so it would not let the front end higher than a set amount (45 degrees?) before it starts cutting power. Then you could pin it all you want and never worry about a loop. Wonder if anyone has ever tried that before?

sounds like some sort of traction control to me lol

but i think that would be kinda hard to do, i'm surprised something like that isn't on the street legal sport bikes
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