James Stewart on a Fumper is like "House" doing surgery with a spork....

[Suzuki TS250/185]

It is SO painful to watch such a pure talent go to waste trying to ride Supercross on a bike that looks like it handles like one of those victorian claw-foot bath tubs half full of water... James Stewart on a Fooper is like a great surgeon using a spork.

Check out this old race and look at how much BETTER the top guys are riding... and look at how much bigger and more demanding the obstacles are... I mean some of those "On-Off Table Tops" from the track last night were so sleight that when the camera showed them from a bit of a distance, you could hardly even see the angles.... And the whoops do not even begin to compare in size, NOT AT ALL...

I know James made fun of the YZ250 but if he had one on the track tonight, he would probably have been so much better off... And, when you look at the sizes of the obstacles that were on the San Diego track back when the tracks were built for more capable dirt bikes, you have to figure that the YZ would take the lesser amplitude of today's tracks with ease.

[twosmoke595]

it really is. its sad that they make the track more suitable for 4 strokes and they still can barely get around it.

did you see how wide and long those turns were? and almost all of them were going around the outside "railing" the turn, where a 2 stroke rider would've went way inside spun it around, and exploded out of the turn, still making the big triples, there were a good 10 different lines that could've been taken but bc their bikes are the way they are, they don't spin up as fast and don't benefit from the different lines, which makes for some very boring follow the leader type racing

[motoman356]

i for one am pro two stroke for various reason but i also am a fan of the 4ts(gasp) stewarts problem isn't necessarily related to a being on a 4t. He did win the 07 and 09SX title and marked off a perfect 24-0 in 2008. The problem comes back to a poorly designed chassis that has no factory R&D. think about it, since he's gotten on the yamaha he has not been himself on them. Even in 09 when he won he had problems on it and it had noted many times(mags, even Chad Reed) that setting up the bike was a pain in the ace because the chassis was funky( not that it couldnt do well but even the newer frame is worse). Now look at teams like Kawi or honda even KTM. Last year Villopotto struggled a bit in the first half of the season. Then @ Unadilla he hopped on a new chassis'ed 450 and started stopping on ppl. Honda had guys crashing left and right back in 09 with a new 450(after the previous year was touted as a perfect chassis) but after constant testing and developing on the bike it was brought up to snuff evidenced by KDUB riding better and Chad Reed winning races. And then KTM dumped massive changes into the chassis and then added Everts and "THE MAN" and were able to finally deliver a bike to Dungey to win on. Suzuki is a none issue cuz they already put out a good chassis

For Yamaha they have no factory team therefore no factory development. Yes they support teams but with parts. Need evidence to the problem? JGR does not run KYB's. They stopped asking for help and with the millions they have at their disposal they are getting Stewarts bike to where he needs it. obviously not there yet. More proof lies in the fact that NO PRIVATEER payed to race one in the 450 class.

[burn1986]

Yep. I wonder where the modifications end and the production rule begins for JGR. How much can they modify the chassis?

Let's be honest, If JS was on a factory tuned YZ250, he would be blazing the whoops a heck of a lot faster than he was on the turd.

[twosmoke595]

Yep. I wonder where the modifications end and the production rule begins for JGR. How much can they modify the chassis?

Let's be honest, If JS was on a factory tuned YZ250, he would be blazing the whoops a heck of a lot faster than he was on the turd.

well basically as per rules they have to have stock cases, frame (although it's rewelded and braced) pretty sure cylinder and head also (but they obviously modify the stock stuff heavily), so basically everything else they can mess with, i know they moved his airbox(where the gas tank usually is) down and more forward and moved the radiators more towards the center of the frame (pushed them in) so he can move up more on the bike and so its thinner. But JGR has their own shock that they custom make, and of course they have everythign else basically custom so ya, they can pretty much do anything they want, with just a few steady rules that they have to follow, honestly i think the way the power is on the 250 would just magnify his mistakes more than they already are on his bike.

[rbigair40]

i for one am pro two stroke for various reason but i also am a fan of the 4ts(gasp) stewarts problem isn't necessarily related to a being on a 4t. He did win the 07 and 09SX title and marked off a perfect 24-0 in 2008. The problem comes back to a poorly designed chassis that has no factory R&D. think about it, since he's gotten on the yamaha he has not been himself on them. Even in 09 when he won he had problems on it and it had noted many times(mags, even Chad Reed) that setting up the bike was a pain in the ace because the chassis was funky( not that it couldnt do well but even the newer frame is worse). Now look at teams like Kawi or honda even KTM. Last year Villopotto struggled a bit in the first half of the season. Then @ Unadilla he hopped on a new chassis'ed 450 and started stopping on ppl. Honda had guys crashing left and right back in 09 with a new 450(after the previous year was touted as a perfect chassis) but after constant testing and developing on the bike it was brought up to snuff evidenced by KDUB riding better and Chad Reed winning races. And then KTM dumped massive changes into the chassis and then added Everts and "THE MAN" and were able to finally deliver a bike to Dungey to win on. Suzuki is a none issue cuz they already put out a good chassis. 

For Yamaha they have no factory team therefore no factory development. Yes they support teams but with parts. Need evidence to the problem? JGR does not run KYB's. They stopped asking for help and with the millions they have at their disposal they are getting Stewarts bike to where he needs it. obviously not there yet. More proof lies in the fact that NO PRIVATEER payed to race one in the 450 class.

. I agree with the bad yamaha , I am a Motorcycle rider I like both 4 and 2 strokes ,2 for the woods and 4 for moto a thumper is just easier to ride fast on a moto track !! And that track in 05 the thumper wood have tore it up! And every turn they were sweeping wide to maintain speed to clear the jumps like they do now, man don't know about some of you guys

[oldermxr]

I been racing MX for 36 years and it's all been done on 2t's honda cr125's  and you don't need to take the wide way around a turn to maintain speed on a 2t. You can cut a turn almost in half on a 2t and keep your corner speed up if JS7 was on a 2t right now in SX I doubt if there would be anybody that could stay with him period

[oldermxr]

In the Feb 2012 issue of RacerX there is an artical on JS7 about him joining JGR and it said in that artical that they built a one off rear shock for his bike useing the machine that JGR builds there shocks for there nascar teams they never could get his rear suspension set up how he needed it so they decided to build a on off shock to be able to get the set up settings he needs it wouldn't surprise me if they have made some of there own internals for the forks also. He has Jeremy Albrecht in the shadows being team manager if anybody can get James' bike set up where he needs it Albrecht can.

[Suzuki TS250/185]

i for one am pro two stroke for various reason but i also am a fan of the 4ts(gasp) stewarts problem isn't necessarily related to a being on a 4t. He did win the 07 and 09SX title and marked off a perfect 24-0 in 2008. The problem comes back to a poorly designed chassis that has no factory R&D. think about it, since he's gotten on the yamaha he has not been himself on them. Even in 09 when he won he had problems on it and it had noted many times(mags, even Chad Reed) that setting up the bike was a pain in the ace because the chassis was funky( not that it couldnt do well but even the newer frame is worse). Now look at teams like Kawi or honda even KTM. Last year Villopotto struggled a bit in the first half of the season. Then @ Unadilla he hopped on a new chassis'ed 450 and started stopping on ppl. Honda had guys crashing left and right back in 09 with a new 450(after the previous year was touted as a perfect chassis) but after constant testing and developing on the bike it was brought up to snuff evidenced by KDUB riding better and Chad Reed winning races. And then KTM dumped massive changes into the chassis and then added Everts and "THE MAN" and were able to finally deliver a bike to Dungey to win on. Suzuki is a none issue cuz they already put out a good chassis. 

For Yamaha they have no factory team therefore no factory development. Yes they support teams but with parts. Need evidence to the problem? JGR does not run KYB's. They stopped asking for help and with the millions they have at their disposal they are getting Stewarts bike to where he needs it. obviously not there yet. More proof lies in the fact that NO PRIVATEER payed to race one in the 450 class.

. I agree with the bad yamaha , I am a Motorcycle rider I like both 4 and 2 strokes ,2 for the woods and 4 for moto a thumper is just easier to ride fast on a moto track !! And that track in 05 the thumper wood have tore it up! And every turn they were sweeping wide to maintain speed to clear the jumps like they do now, man don't know about some of you guys

Man, you're absolutely right about how a Fumpers got tore up on that 05 track. EVERY SINGLE 4 STROKE ON THE TRACK GOT LAPPED... Including Kevin Windham and Torelli....

They are great riders, but their bikes sucked....

[Suzuki TS250/185]

I been racing MX for 36 years and it's all been done on 2t's honda cr125's  and you don't need to take the wide way around a turn to maintain speed on a 2t. You can cut a turn almost in half on a 2t and keep your corner speed up if JS7 was on a 2t right now in SX I doubt if there would be anybody that could stay with him period

if JS7 was on a 2t right now in SX I doubt if there would be anybody that could stay with him period

Here's what that situation might look like.... James on a real bike

[snook620]

Man, you're absolutely right about how a Fumpers got tore up on that 05 track. EVERY SINGLE 4 STROKE ON THE TRACK GOT LAPPED... Including Kevin Windham and Torelli....

They are great riders, but their bikes sucked....

You sure about that? Im not sure what race series you were watching 

Theres nothing wrong with being a die hard 2 stroke fan but some of the crap youve been posting on here lately has been delusional.

[Suzuki TS250/185]

Every single 4 Stonk got lapped... I didn't do it to them, Ricky and Chad did. If you're going to be mad at someone it should be them....

Maybe you could write to them and say, "Hey Ricky and Chad, you shouldn't have lapped every single 4 stonk on the track because that basically proved that they aren't really that fast...."

And they sound like farts too, but Ricky and Chad didn't do that, they just sound like that naturally.

[snook620]

Im talking about the name of this thread. Have you forgot about James destroying everyone in 2007? He's obviously not the same rider.....I think its a little more of a Yamaha issue than a 4 stroke issue (although Millsaps' bike has been looking fine IMO).

[snook620]

Every single 4 Stonk got lapped... I didn't do it to them, Ricky and Chad did. If you're going to be mad at someone it should be them....

Maybe you could write to them and say, "Hey Ricky and Chad, you shouldn't have lapped every single 4 stonk on the track because that basically proved that they aren't really that fast...."

And they sound like farts too, but Ricky and Chad didn't do that, they just sound like that naturally.

This has to be one of your most inteligent responses yet.

Im not going to feed you anymore. Troll on TS250...

[Suzuki TS250/185]

You brought the negativity into the thread by calling me delusional after I correctly pointed out that every singel 4 stonk got lapped in San Diego 05.

"Delusional" would be a correct observation only if I had stated that incorrectly, which I didn't.

I hope you don't respond to me anymore... that would be great.