By the way TotalNZ, the CR500AF doesn't hook up, it digs trenches. LOL. My friend who loves 450F's, came back and said, it doesn't feel too fast, after doing a holeshot. I said, go back and look at the trench you just dug. I got pretty good on that thing. I could corner really well, just getting in a rut and gasing it. 0 clutching. I miss it, but really want a 2011 or 12 KTM 300XC. I even have a head all done, ready for it, from MikeS on KTMtalk.