Christian Weiss Wins the International German Cross Country Championship on a TM 300
Schefflenz, Germany September 4, 2010 – Christen Weiss was able to win the Cross Country Championship for the second year in a row on his TM 300 two-stroke.
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By JustEnduro on October 4th, 2010 at 2:09 am
I’m not sure why a web page would make a big deal out of isolated case of 2 strokes winning an event in Germany, Winning a event here, there … etc
It appears as though its an isolated case and a surprise that the bike won.
The reality of the matter is that in Enduro the 2 stroke wins outright. The more difficult the event the more prominent the 2 strokes are. Extreme Enduro globally is the domain of two strokes, with still no competitor from the four strokes. Even the pro’s choose 2 stroke as they are not dictated to in the same way as in motocross. Lastman Standing is purely a two stroke event so are Romaniacs Ertzbeg, The Roof Of Africa where there are NO 4 Junkers on the podium at all! Even with a pro pilots the Roof Of Africa had one 4 stroke in the top 10. Romaniacs would be very similar. Even a purely 4 stroke manufacturer has built a 2 stroke for extreme Enduro as they could not get the 4 stroke Husaberg to the podium.
Enduro cross (Indoor events) are owned by 250 2 strokes
The pro’s CHOOSE 2 stroke on ALL extreme events. David Knight Taddy Blazusiak and every single other top 10 rider is seated on a 2 stroke.
Outboards, Snow mobiles have a resurgence of two strokes through DFi
Manufactures are loath to release a DFi 2 stroke for trail / motocross as it would clearly dominate in every aspect and kill the 4 joke bike / PARTS sales. They struggle with Fi 450 against a Normally Aspirated 10 / 20 year old design 250 2 stroke motor. 450 compete with a 2010 250 with the latest technology / research is no comp and a no brainer. A local university in the USA HAS made a 300cc 2 strokes with OVER 70hp (As if you would need / want that) and 50ft/lb’s of Torque for a global go green competition. (Made and chosen for the Green peace and economy compatition)
Its just motocross that is dictated to by a couple of greedy manufacturers with just a hint of collusion.
There really is no comparison from a environmental perspective or a power performance point. All we have is a bunch of manufacturers that TELL you what you can and cannot ride. Personally I like to choose. Personally not stupid enough to be lead to a conclusion, personally won’t stick my hand up with my credit card protruding from my fingers to buy what I am told to buy.
THESE ARE NOT ISOLATED CASES – 2 strokes really do win everywhere they go and everywhere they are welcome.
It is not a big deal if a 300 won an event in Germany, it’s an expected result and in reality is simply always the case.
Bit surprised that you are surprised.
By JustEnduro on October 4th, 2010 at 3:19 am
While I am here, whining I may mention another point.
The constant whine about 2 strokes needing more skill to ride is also BS.
A 450 will blow the socks off you just as much as a worked old tech 2010 YZ250! Make no mistakes they are both equally scary to ride at max RPM and BOTH require equal amounts of skill to ride. It’s just a different way of riding or a different skill. It’s NOT hard to ride a 2 stroke and does NOT require a PHD or balls of steel to ride a 250. It’s just different.
And the power band is not a light switch that goes mental when you turn it on and flips bikes over backwards instantly!!!!! A 2010 YZ250 has LESS of power band than a 1980 CR250 that could not even idle. PS: That band thingy is the thing that makes 2 stroke so interesting and FUN to ride…..ITS A BLOODY GOOD THING Another PS a CR500AF has almost NO power band…it kicks like a mule EVERYWHERE!
To those who ride either motor like a grandma…it really makes no bloody diffs if you are seated on a 2 stroke 250 or a 4 stroke 450…you cant and wont max either bike. THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THE BILL AND HOW LONG THEY LAST.
Either bike ridden by a monkey will die a early death. Both bikes ridden with skill ends up with a 250 really out gunning the 450 with repair bills and the quantity of repairs required!!!!
Torque is another BS story – If you need more torque than a 200exc or 300exc delivers, then I would say GIVE UP PLAYING WITH BIKES AND GO PLAY TENNIS INSTEAD. 2 Strokes delivers unbelievable amounts of torque!!!!!!
A 200, 250 or 300 Enduro bikes will lug up hills without bogging on the throttle from 600rpm and will keep ticking over. It won’t die when you give it instant full throttle to get over a uphill ledge.
They win ALL EXTREME events due to ……..wait for it………TORQUE at any RPM The only people who doubt this are people who have been spoon fed a healthy dose of BS on 4 strokes and have never ridden anything else, or stare at dyno charts that really don’t say anything about how fast it can or cannot get around a track. EG: James Stuart on a KX125 that had faster lap times than 99% of the vastly more powerful 450′s on the day.
PS Every job has a tool – Enduro bikes are NOT MX bikes…they are different for different jobs. The 300 does not have a huge hit from a power band…it pulls huge everywhere. That’s why it wins Extreme events.
The shorter the stroke the higher the RPM the LOWER the torque. A 450 has a very VERY short stroke. Nothing like the traditional 4 stroke tractors that really did have more torque than a 2 stroke. A 2010 4 stroke gave away torque to gain HP.
By JohnNicholas on October 6th, 2010 at 4:38 pm
“I’m not sure why a web page would make a big deal out of isolated case of 2 strokes winning an event in Germany, Winning a event here, there … etc”
JustEnduro,
The point and reason for posting any and all race results of two-stroke winning races is what this site is all about. In many cases the so-called “mainstream” media either ignores or glosses over the two-stroke in their stories.
This site is all about bringing the two-stroke into the limelight.
As for which one is faster, that really depends on many factors… rider ability, displacement (equal or handicapped), track conditions and many, many more. Unfortunately there is no simple answer, when most of the world thinks it’s alright to “cheat” by using a larger displacement machine.
Update the racing rules to equal displacement, then allow the marketplace to decide which is the best machine for the job.