Comments on: It’s Official – No 250 two-strokes in the AMA 250 F Pro Class for 2010

By: rehrig117

rehrig117 — Wed, 27 Jan 2010 03:01:30 +0000

this whole debate is bullshit..!! I ride a 2 stroke and a 4 stroke and the 2 stroke has the lightness and the power, while the 4 stroke is heavy and torquey..They should be allowed in the same class..personally there should be a 250 2 stroke class and a 4 stroke class..plus the 2 stroke is cheaper by thousands, and it only needs a $120 rebuild once a year compared to every 40 hours and about $800 every 2 months on the 4 stroke..So pretty much like everyone else says its just pencil pushers wantin more money and going along with this global warming crap..the ama is off their nuts and i cant stand it..so i say just keep buyin 2 strokes and dont buy 4 strokes and bring em back alive!!

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By: redrider721

redrider721 — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:15:51 +0000

I can understand the dicision. Thanks DC it was worth a try. We as two stroke riders will keep them going. My 01 CR 250(TMR motor/ FC suspension/RG3 22mm clamps) handles just as well as my friends 09 yz450. Thats all that maters to me. Until I ride a bike better than my 01 I will continue to ride it and be happy with it. I think AJ at Service Honda has a good thing going. I hopefully will be able to purchase a 500 from them when I get out of collage. Keep your heads up and maybe something better in a 2 stroke will come out some day! What we have available now is real good! If we ride them they will make them. With fuel prices the way they are racing is hard to afford on a 4 stroke. If ameatures ride them they will come back!

By: SCOOTER042

SCOOTER042 — Mon, 02 Nov 2009 21:01:36 +0000

Letting 2 strokes race in WMA is a step in the right direction. At this point working any angle possible to keep the tides turning is good. More and more 2 strokes are turning up at tracks now. I have seen an increase from 3 years ago till now from 5% to at least 35% at the places we ride and race. It very clear that the 4 stroke greenwash is being exposed and people are seeing the light. With the 450’s weighing 38 pounds more and costing thousands more to buy and maintain, they are starting to wear on people.

By: MXLord327

MXLord327 — Mon, 02 Nov 2009 19:08:22 +0000

I just read on the RacerX website that 250 2 strokes will be legal in the WMA for 2010, at least the women will be lucky enough to ride a real motocross bike!!

By: JustEnduro

JustEnduro — Thu, 22 Oct 2009 23:47:08 +0000

I agree with Dylan155, VintageBlueSmoke and SCOOTER042.

The best racing would be a 2 and 4 stroke mixed event – Choose your poison / weapon.
If 4t wins, then so be it. The same in reverse.

Freedom of choice. (Everybody’s basic right)
Honesty in capacity. (What the AMA was meant to do in the first place)

This may even (Doubt it) draw KTM and others off the fence and get the FI out and onto the market. NOW!!!!!

Let the best man win – let the best weapon take him there.

Fear when a 2 stroke is near

By: JustEnduro

JustEnduro — Thu, 22 Oct 2009 22:52:55 +0000

Irony of it all is that Honda had a 2 stroke CR400 EXP-2 that was lighter on fuel, CHEAPER, better on the enviro with more HP and torque than a 4 stroke in 1998.
Why did they can the motor?

The very reason that 2 strokes were ousted (Enviro) is the very SAME reason they could out do a 4 stroke prior to 2000(Enviro issue)

I hope this 2 stroke EXP-2 CR400 bites Honda / Japan where it hurts a whole lot in the VERY NEAR FUTURE! And on that note…Why is KTM holding back FI? – They must be enjoying $ they get from 4T as well! Dancing on the fence.

Why would the AMA not consider a UFC style event within the current AMA schedule? This being along the lines of a MX type free for all pro / privateer race. A bit like (Enduro Cross – This is a no holds bared event as it is) without the logs and water and run on the same PRO MX track. This would draw lost supporters and is as simple as adding an event not run as PRO AMA MX. This way the Japs and Fans are happy. The Japs have their EXCLUSIVE RACE fans have a 2T vs 4T free for all? I am sure Redbull would have an interest! And what a way for a privateer to make the transition to a pro EXCLUSIVE 4 dope (LOL) All you would need is a few TP CR RC & JS type riders to be a BIT of a rebel, and they may give it a go?

Just for kicks for weekend warrior type riders:-

Racing or just riding a 4 stroke is like handing your wallet to a kleptomaniac.
You may as well just leave your credit card at the dealer when you pick up the bike.

IT IS NOT NORMAL TO FIX A NEW BIKE OR DO ANY REPAIRS AT ALL FOR AT LEAST 3 TO 5 YEARS – ANY LESS AND YOU HAVE GOT A LEMON – If you think constant repairs are normal you must be riding a 4T

REBUILDS FOR A WEEKEND WARRIOR IS ONCE IN 5 TO 10 YEARS = < $250
If you think this is BS you must be riding a 4 dope

I regularly email my opinion to the AMA via http://www.amaproracing.com/about/contact/index.cfm and wish there were thousands of emails hitting this address constantly over and over.

VERY OVERLY PASSIONATE 2 stroke fan – Due to the fact that I own and pay the bills for 2 complete rubbish 4 strokes. Lucky enough to own 2 real bikes as well – 2 STROKE

By: irace2tmotos

irace2tmotos — Thu, 22 Oct 2009 17:07:18 +0000

I spoke with Dale from Gas gas and he said the 2 stroke Gas Gas Mxers are special order only here in the USA! I suggest we all buy one or two from him!

By: VintageBlueSmoke

VintageBlueSmoke — Wed, 21 Oct 2009 09:43:01 +0000

I agree with Dylan155 and SCOOTER042. We should take the high-road here. I also don’t think we should abandon the AMA. If fact, I recommend the opposite. Being active in governance of your sport is the resposibility of every participant. When we step back and just play at the expence of others, we get stuck with what those others give us. The AMA’s bread and butter is the manufacturers, but those members running the AMA are just polititions. They can be voted out and rules can be changed. If the AMA were to have the overwhelming majority of members supportive of any technology, the manufacturers whould get in line to build it. In other words we, through the AMA, should tell the manufacturers what to build and not the other way around.

By: SCOOTER042

SCOOTER042 — Tue, 20 Oct 2009 23:58:25 +0000

A new series would have to be inclusive and not ‘exclusive’ by nature. You dont want to start something new because the 2 stroke was excluded intentionally, then do the exact same thing to the 4T. The biggest thing would be to have big purses, name riders, fair classes, great battles, fun for spectators, affordable entry and parking, level headed security that is not intentionally provoking fans. Getting the fans involved is important. Make the event memorable and they will return.

BRAAAP!