It’s Official – No 250 two-strokes in the AMA 250 F Pro Class for 2010
During the past week there was a meeting of all the major players in Pro SX/MX in southern California. It was a gathering of the OEM’s, AMA, Promoters and others to discuss new ideas for the 2010 racing season.
It probably comes with no surprise that the two-stroke idea would be shot down. The enthusiastic crew from MX Sports, spearheaded by Davey Coombs, did their best to advise the importance of including two strokes in Pro Racing.
Unfortunately their voice was overwhelmed by the people that stood to lose the most from a change back to the two-stroke.
The OEM’s, AMA and the others big argument against the two-stroke competing with equal displacement was met by the quote, “250 vs. 250 isn’t fair.”
Being the stand up guy that he is, Davey Coombs let people know about the decision on DMXS Radio and answered e-mails from people that wrote. What happened? He was skewered by some of the people that he had been supportive of. On one message board, DC was called nasty names and blamed for bowing down to the manufacturers and others.
But even after this horrific treatment, he went back on the message board and wrote the following;
“Guys, sorry, I am just the messenger in this case. Not one of the five OEMs, including KTM and Yamaha, want to head this way right now. Nor does Supercross or apparently the GPs, just some of you and me — but I will accept the blame for not getting this through. I didn’t make four-strokes, and I can’t save two-strokes, I just hold races that almost all of the race teams and top riders find worthwhile to participate in and support.
Do you want the teams and the top riders to leave now? I don’t. So we are working on homologation rules and requirements for a few other options, but I now realize that it’s not wise to bring those things up in a public forum until they either happen or don’t.”
It’s a shame that one of the few people on the side of two-strokes, was treated with such a vulgar display of anger and hate. Especially when DC is new to this “game”. DC did the best he could and deserves a thank you for all that he has done. I certainly appreciate all his efforts on behalf of the two stroke faithful.
Back to our story..
Honda CR125 two stroke. The good old days?
Hmmm, so according to the OEM manufacturers, the AMA and the hop up shops, they are saying that a 250 two stroke will beat their technologically advanced four-strokes. They are afraid that someone with talent, along the lines of a Jason Lawrence will show up at a Pro MX race and spank all their highly touted four-stroke factory bikes. In fact, they are even concerned that some three digit privateer pro will show up on a two-stroke and give their factory racers fits.
Well at least the debate between which bike is better has been settled, and not by two guys on a message board that are giving their opinions based on what they think will happen. This is based on the manufacturers (who thoroughly test everything) saying that even with all the supposed advances in technology, the four-stroke is in danger of being beat, at the highest levels of racing by an older technology two-stroke.
But the bigger problem remains. The rules as they are now, virtually kill off the two-stroke entirely. At least in Pro Racing.
Since the Big 4 manufacturers are the ones that build the bikes that most of us ride and race, and are no longer interested in building the bikes that many voices are calling for, where does that leave us?
According to many, this is a figment of your imagination. Four-strokes are super reliable.
In an even more bizarre twist, it turns out that many manufacturers have a great deal of 2009 model 450 four-strokes still sitting on dealer floors and gathering dust in warehouses. So they are running deep discounts to move the bikes, and at least in Yamaha’s case, they are running ads for 0 down, 0 interest and 0 payments for 12 months on the bikes that are not moving.
And yet Yamaha is holding up the release of the 2010 two-stroke line-up until February. The only real change in the 2010 two-stroke models is the graphics, so why the delay? So they can try to get their dealers to sell the four-strokes that they decided to market?
Husqvarna still makes two-strokes. The 2010 CR 125.
From comments on this site, message boards and people at the races, the sentiment is that more and more people are buying two-strokes for 2010. It will be interesting to see if this will really happen.
Not everyone that races motocross can afford a new bike, so some by used. If you have followed the used prices of motocross bikes over the past few years, you will notice a new trend. A used two-stroke will command much more money than a used four-stroke. Not only that, but clean used two-strokes are costing more and more to purchase in general. The reason being, demand is increasing at a level that is driving prices higher.
On the other hand it’s becoming cheaper and cheaper to purchase a used four-stroke.
The one aspect that the manufacturers have overlooked is that racers, at least the ones that buy new bikes with their own money, usually have lower budgets to work with. Many of these racers use their new machine for a year or two, then turn around and sell their “used” bike in order to off-set the cost of their next new bike.
The trouble begins with the much higher cost of the new machines. Most racers have to take out a loan to buy their new bike. When it’s a four-stroke, after they get the bike it “needs’ a pipe, so they buy one that costs between $600 and $1,600. and go to the races. If they are really good with the maintenance, change the oil frequently, and don’t rev the bike too much, they can expect their bike to last for a couple of years without any major problems.
There are always alternatives. Here is a Gas Gas MC250.
Everything changes when the racer is a hard charger, a racer with plans of becoming a working pro. In order to be competitive, even at the local level, he has to invest much more than just a pipe. The folks that I’ve spoken to have invested a few thousand dollars only in their engine. The sorry side is, that it’s not enough to compete in the pro nationals. Which is ruled by cubic dollars.
Now our up and coming racer has to practice on the bike he will be racing. And since he is competing at a higher level he has to race the bike much harder than the average guy, so he revs the bike just like the factory stars. Even after doing all the right maintenance, after a few months the bike needs a rebuild. If something catastrophic happens it will cost much, much more.
Now the possibility is, this up and coming racer took out a loan to buy the bike and borrowed money from family and friends to do the hop-up work to his machine. What happens when our luckless hero blows up his bike? Now he needs to invest a large sum of money into rebuilding his bike. The problem? He may only be able to sell his bike for a few hundred dollars more than the rebuild.
What happens is based on many factors, but the two I’ve heard most is he’ll sell the rolling frame and go out and buy another bike. Or the guy will just be so frustrated, he’ll quit racing and do something else. Neither is good for the overall health of the sport.
What can I do?
Ignore the hype and marketing buzz from the Big 4.
The sweet looking Service Honda Bailey Replica. You get what you pay for.
When you buy a new bike, buy a two stroke. While 3 of the big four no longer import two-strokes, both Yamaha and KTM still sell them. But they are not the only options. There are other brands which include, Husqvarna, Gas Gas, TM Racing, Maico and Service Powersports.
While in the recent past it was extremely difficult to get either a TM or Maico here in the USA, both will have strong distribution and representation here in 2010. I’ve spoken to both of the new distributors and they are planning ride days, so potential customers can try before they buy. Stay tuned for more information.
Then there is AJ at Service Powersports. They build new two-strokes of various sizes with the latest style frames and running gear. Sure they are a bit more expensive than some of the four-stroke offerings, but these two-stroke bikes can last for many years with minimal maintenance costs. Plus when you decide to sell, the bike will still have a good resale value.
Really, it’s not necessary to buy a new bike every year! Just buy something that will last.
Or you can do what thousands of others have done, by a used two-stroke. There are some great deals out there to be had. In some cases you can find machines with low hours on them, these bikes are great deals.
The Italian Stallion. 2010 TM Racing MX 250.
If for some reason there is not a two stroke class at your local race track, get some buddies together and show up at the races and ask (nicely) if they could add a class for you guys. In my local area, the class with one of the biggest turnouts week in and week out is the newly formed 125cc two stroke class. This has garnered the interest of many other racers and the buzz is that more racers will be competing in 2010.
Remember two stroke motocross bikes are fast, light and tons of fun. The only way we’ll see the return of two-strokes is if racers buy two-strokes from the manufacturers that actually make them.
The result will be that the Big 4 will either decide to make them again or they’ll stop making bikes altogether and build something else to make their company money.
You are the two-strokes only hope!
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By jrhockey03 on October 17th, 2009 at 1:46 am
I can’t believe the price of the new YZ450F in Canada it is $9500! For $9500 I could buy 3 great used 2 strokes and have bikes for the next 3 years! A new YZ250 is a full $1100 cheaper. I was going to get a new 2 stroke this coming year but I think I will wait for direct injection for a new bike…Hoping for 2011… My technologically ‘old’ 2002 KX250 will have to continue pulling holeshots against the AMA and manufacturers ‘fair’ 200cc displacment advantage the 450s have. I love spending less on my pipe and silencer combo than the 4 stroke guys spend on just a header. If you still want to ride 2-strokes go exotic if you have to but lets just keep them alive. Some of those companies are cheaper than the big 4. i.e. Husky.
By jrhockey03 on October 17th, 2009 at 2:03 am
I wonder if the AMA would be up for allowing larger 250’s in the 450 class like a 285cc or is that too unfair?
By motoman465 on October 17th, 2009 at 2:04 am
They can have my two strokes when they can pry them out of my cold, dead hands! I want to fill this comment with bad words I am so mad, but I am going to keep it clean for the young ‘uns and the easily offended! First, DC deserves a standing ovation for standing up for what he believes in! Thanks, DC! The people that bad-mouthed his efforts are just small-minded twits!
It came as no surprise to me that 250 two strokes are not going to be allowed to compete with 250 four strokes. Not all is lost, however. This trend has happened before, just backwards. Motocross was started with big, obnoxiously loud four strokes. Then the two stroke revolution began and quickly took over. This is just another cycle of life for motocross…and it to shall come to pass. I feel as everyone else does that it cannot pass quickly enough! Just remember the butterfly effect. A few voices will eventually become a thunderous roar that will drown out these four stroke bikes.
One other thing I want to say before I go. I am not against four strokes. Some people love them and that is their choice. The problem I have is when we can only buy them because some pencil pushers decided they can make more money with them! ‘Nuff said!
By SCOOTER042 on October 17th, 2009 at 3:24 am
I want to know when and where these ride days are for the Euro bikes. I know they are very well made and have owned KTM’s and Husky’s in the past. I am done with the big 4. I will never buy a 4 stroke again. My racing buds feel the exact same way.
BRAAAP!
By JohnNicholas on October 17th, 2009 at 10:57 am
Scooter042 – Once the dates are set for ride days they will be published on this site. Honestly, I’m looking forward to them myself.
By SCOOTER042 on October 17th, 2009 at 8:08 pm
Thanks John and I will be looking for those for sure.
Our crew has already scheduled to go to a KTM demo ride in Ohio soon and I will attend any other brand I can find. We’ve spoken to the marketing MGR, regional and local rep for KTM and told him the story and how we want to come demo and possibly buy 2 strokes. It’s time we all get behind the Euro brands who are making what WE want and not what THEY want for us.
NO MORE BIG 4!
By JustEnduro on October 18th, 2009 at 6:23 am
This is about as sad as it gets!
Can’t believe that they will watch MX go down the tubes, just to continue making big big dollars rather than just big dollars – GREED!
Was looking forward to an interesting year! – Maybe I should just stick to trail and Enduro.
There are a lot of short choice words I would like to use….however there’s not point.
Don’t people realize that buying these 4 strokes is excluding them from the very sport they want to participate in?
As a 20 year old I paid for my ride, parts & enjoyed racing as a privateer for years. (No HUGE cost)
Can a 2009 20 year old afford to pay and ride his own bike he now owns?
Bit like telling a local ball player this will cost $10,000 to start and a further $1000 a month to play – How local people / venues will continue to play ball at all?
SAD DAY
By 2smoker on October 18th, 2009 at 5:31 pm
Boycott anything 4 stroke and AMA. These clowns are having problems already with the other series (AMA-DMG) road racing . Honda already quit for next year! I will cancel my subscription to Speed Channel and never watch any AMA series again. Anyways, we all know the results already for next year. Why should I bother! I totally don’t care anymore.. Professional Motocross racing right now is just totally manipulated by some crooks and goons that don’t even ride. We need more than DC if we want things to change. What about the FIM and CMRC? Do we have officials displacements rules out yet????
Pissed off Fred in CANADA
By 2smoker on October 18th, 2009 at 5:52 pm
Watching kids on 50s 65 and 85 will be more exciting this year!hahaha
By 2smoker on October 18th, 2009 at 6:10 pm
Sport of Motocross is all about amateurs racers, local tracks and dealerships, week-end warriors, not professional racing. Period.
By 2smoker on October 18th, 2009 at 6:49 pm
Yeah also! I want to see professional racing disappeared under the AMA/DMG management because they are not help for the sport and us riders.I don’t want my sport to look like Nascrap. Something has to happen if you want to see radical changes. I won’t have any problems to sleep at night without the AMA pro racing. I will still race my local track and replace my top end myself on my 2 stroke. As a MX rider..we mostly are strong individuals and pretty much non submissive… We know and we do what we want. Screw nowdays professional racing. Motocross is all about fun and passion. Not the money.
By 2smoker on October 18th, 2009 at 6:55 pm
BTW.. John! I’ll be awesome to have an edit option, my own avatar or maybe a forum for this website. This website can have big wings!!
Proud supporter of Two Stroke Motocross and Officialy the biggest AMA/DMG hater from CANADA!
Fred
By Targo on October 18th, 2009 at 11:39 pm
Screw the AMA. It’s time for that National 2T series to kick off………..
Let the handful of “Pros” duke it out between all 10 of themselves. The privateers will provide better racing and flock to a 2T National series.
By westyz on October 19th, 2009 at 12:19 pm
Not suprise they said no to pro class – they are running scared. It’s an insult to say ‘250 vs. 250 isn’t fair’ – yeah like the current situation is at all ‘fair’ on two strokes, only ray of hope is in amateur people can go head to head, its a no brainer to race a 2 strokes there surely?
By eprovenzano on October 19th, 2009 at 2:08 pm
It’s sad, the MFG’s are afraid some young punk (aka, Jason Lawrence like) will show up on an old broken down smoker, and spank their shiny new expensive factory bikes. Mr. Coombs needs to be applauded for his efforts. He is in our corner and is doing everything within his power to level the playing field.
By speedracer01 on October 19th, 2009 at 2:23 pm
I’d like to thank DC for his efforts! It will take many more like him to make this thing happen. I can proudly say that I own two KTM 2 strokes. I really believe it’s mostly the big 4 causing all the problems myself. 2 strokes will have there time to shine again. It’s coming and it’s only a matter of time.
While we are on this subject check out this thread from a forum that I’m a member of. Some people just can’t see the light. There are guys that are trying to argue that there big so called superior 4 strokes can dominate a two stroke. LOL!
http://midsouthmx.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=8461
By theduke135 on October 19th, 2009 at 2:33 pm
Well on a good note a bunch of us from the MSC will be on 2 strokes next year in the Vet classes and a few top 250 experts as well . Now when people see the old outdated 2 Strokes winning in the A classes it will send out a message . Bottom line is we need the 2 strokes back the 4 strokes are hurting the sport with the high prices and the used 4 stroke market is just plain dead no one wants a used 4 stroke why its just a time bomb that will blow I assure you. The worst part is a parent buys there son a used 4 Joke to start him in racing for a so called cheep price of lets say around 1,700 to 2,000 for a 3 or 4 year old bike TICK TICK TICK BOOM !!!! Now another 1,800 in parts to fix it well not going to happen bike sits there another rider that wont be at the races all year. Is it just me that see’s this ?? It’s fact Now well maybe I should have brought my son a new bike but I don’t have $7,500 to spend on one think about that number $7,500 well that’s not going to happen either with most people what’s the quick Fix a near new 125 2 stroke for about 1500 to 1700 that will run 4 years. the 125 2 strokes are becoming a demand for the new racer there cheep easy to fix and most of all you dont feel like your cutting your grass on the law Tractor when you go riding its FUN !!!!!!!
By SCOOTER042 on October 19th, 2009 at 6:52 pm
- By Targo on October 18th, 2009 at 11:39 pm
“Screw the AMA. It’s time for that National 2T series to kick off………..
Let the handful of “Pros” duke it out between all 10 of themselves. The privateers will provide better racing and flock to a 2T National series.”
I am ready. I would pay to see a 2T series. If it had good pro am riders and NONE of the big 4 factory racers and machines, It would be even better racing. There would be no clear cut winners and boring conga lines.
BRAAAP!
By 2smoker on October 19th, 2009 at 10:32 pm
We should start looking for funding and promoters so we can get this project started!
Fred
By GlennCMcGovern on October 20th, 2009 at 2:19 am
Davey Combs tried and knows what the public wants but the AMA and OEM’s do not want two-strokes tarnishing the image of four-strokes. There is no reason not to allow 250cc two-strokes in the 450 class for sure but they are even scared of that. I think there will be a resurgence and it is coming. I see more two-strokes at AMA qualifiers this past year and next year will be even bigger. I would like to see some pro try with a 150 cc two-stroke in the 250 Lites class if that were still legal. I am sure the crowds would love it. I love my KTM 250SX and tried briefly the four-stroke and for me I can do better on my KTM as I am light and small. Holeshots are doable. I think the sport needs a 100 cc beginner transition class for the kids like in the 70’s. I hate to see kids going from 85cc to 250 or one I saw 450cc four-stoke and then get injured or break their neck. I am convinced the additional 40 lbs. and if the thing stalls or burps in the air has caused too many spinal injuries. We never had those in the old days. That extra weight and the easy powerband makes it easy to overdo it also and hurt yourself. I had a KTM380SX and that thing would holeshot 450’s easily. I wish KTM would make a 320 cc two-stroke as that would be ideal–not too much. I see Maico makes one. I love 125’s as they are a great learning tool for all riders. They make you work and punish you when you screw up. Remember: TWO-STROKES HOT, FAST AND CHEAP-JUST LIKE YOUR WIFE!
GLENN
By sdcaro on October 20th, 2009 at 5:58 am
Another gutless move by the bureaucrats. I remember when Harley whined about the 750 Honda’s dominating flat track back in the 80’s. The AMA folded like a wet noodle and goodbye Honda!
I’m a marginal rider on obsolete equipment, but I will never give up my two-strokes. Brrrrrrrrrap!
By MXLord327 on October 20th, 2009 at 1:29 pm
I have ridden a lightly modified 1998 YZ250 for the past 4 years, and as long as I keep the motor and suspension fresh, it is totally competitive where I race. I have very little money to spend on riding, so a 4 stroke is totally out of the question for me. I rebuild my top end every year for less than $150 – if I blew up or wore out a 4 stroke, the bike would have to sit for a year until I could come up with the money to fix it. I know I am not alone here either. I have ridden quite a few new 4 strokes, and yes, at my novice level, I am a little faster around the track and through the woods because of their smoother power, but for me it is not worth the risk of not being able to ride for a year when (not if) they break. Another thing I have not seen mentioned anywhere is the fact that since the 4 stroke are so much easier to ride fast, there are many more riders suffering catastophic injuries now. To jump a 2 stroke correctly and safely, you need much better bike handling skills than on a 4 stroke – something that a lot of younger riders are not learning. Also, since they are so easy to jump, track owners are putting in bigger and bigger jumps every year. How many kids have to get paralyzed before people wake up?? Riders coming off 85’s need to ride 125’s, not 250f or 450f’s. For every rider that can no longer ride because they broke their neck casing a triple on their 450f that they never would have attempted on a 125, at least 5 more people are totally put off from riding because of the added risk. The big 4 are driving people away from the sport in droves – with both the cost, and unnecessary injuries. We need to keep the 2 strokes alive!!
By Dylan155 on October 20th, 2009 at 5:31 pm
I don’t think it should be called a 2t series. Invite the four strokes of EQUAL cc! Don’t wan’t to pull the same crap they are, just make good racing on equal playing field. I don’t know what you can do for the 125 2t though, they are killing it so bad. Maybe invite 125cc 4t’s? (HA HA, that would be funny!) I always maintain that if four strokes are so much better, they would have built a 125 4t to kick the crap out of a 125 2t, but we know the what they had to build. Even the schoolboy class is jacked up because of the 4t 150r. The 150r isin’t the threat, not even close. It’s the supermini 2t’s they let in the schoolboy class with it. It’s apples and oranges. I want apples and apples!
By SCOOTER042 on October 20th, 2009 at 11:58 pm
A new series would have to be inclusive and not ‘exclusive’ by nature. You dont want to start something new because the 2 stroke was excluded intentionally, then do the exact same thing to the 4T. The biggest thing would be to have big purses, name riders, fair classes, great battles, fun for spectators, affordable entry and parking, level headed security that is not intentionally provoking fans. Getting the fans involved is important. Make the event memorable and they will return.
BRAAAP!
By VintageBlueSmoke on October 21st, 2009 at 9:43 am
I agree with Dylan155 and SCOOTER042. We should take the high-road here. I also don’t think we should abandon the AMA. If fact, I recommend the opposite. Being active in governance of your sport is the resposibility of every participant. When we step back and just play at the expence of others, we get stuck with what those others give us. The AMA’s bread and butter is the manufacturers, but those members running the AMA are just polititions. They can be voted out and rules can be changed. If the AMA were to have the overwhelming majority of members supportive of any technology, the manufacturers whould get in line to build it. In other words we, through the AMA, should tell the manufacturers what to build and not the other way around.
By irace2tmotos on October 22nd, 2009 at 5:07 pm
I spoke with Dale from Gas gas and he said the 2 stroke Gas Gas Mxers are special order only here in the USA! I suggest we all buy one or two from him!
By JustEnduro on October 22nd, 2009 at 10:52 pm
Irony of it all is that Honda had a 2 stroke CR400 EXP-2 that was lighter on fuel, CHEAPER, better on the enviro with more HP and torque than a 4 stroke in 1998.
Why did they can the motor?
The very reason that 2 strokes were ousted (Enviro) is the very SAME reason they could out do a 4 stroke prior to 2000(Enviro issue)
I hope this 2 stroke EXP-2 CR400 bites Honda / Japan where it hurts a whole lot in the VERY NEAR FUTURE! And on that note…Why is KTM holding back FI? – They must be enjoying $ they get from 4T as well! Dancing on the fence.
Why would the AMA not consider a UFC style event within the current AMA schedule? This being along the lines of a MX type free for all pro / privateer race. A bit like (Enduro Cross – This is a no holds bared event as it is) without the logs and water and run on the same PRO MX track. This would draw lost supporters and is as simple as adding an event not run as PRO AMA MX. This way the Japs and Fans are happy. The Japs have their EXCLUSIVE RACE fans have a 2T vs 4T free for all? I am sure Redbull would have an interest! And what a way for a privateer to make the transition to a pro EXCLUSIVE 4 dope (LOL) All you would need is a few TP CR RC & JS type riders to be a BIT of a rebel, and they may give it a go?
Just for kicks for weekend warrior type riders:-
Racing or just riding a 4 stroke is like handing your wallet to a kleptomaniac.
You may as well just leave your credit card at the dealer when you pick up the bike.
IT IS NOT NORMAL TO FIX A NEW BIKE OR DO ANY REPAIRS AT ALL FOR AT LEAST 3 TO 5 YEARS – ANY LESS AND YOU HAVE GOT A LEMON – If you think constant repairs are normal you must be riding a 4T
REBUILDS FOR A WEEKEND WARRIOR IS ONCE IN 5 TO 10 YEARS = < $250
If you think this is BS you must be riding a 4 dope
I regularly email my opinion to the AMA via http://www.amaproracing.com/about/contact/index.cfm and wish there were thousands of emails hitting this address constantly over and over.
VERY OVERLY PASSIONATE 2 stroke fan – Due to the fact that I own and pay the bills for 2 complete rubbish 4 strokes. Lucky enough to own 2 real bikes as well – 2 STROKE
By JustEnduro on October 22nd, 2009 at 11:47 pm
I agree with Dylan155, VintageBlueSmoke and SCOOTER042.
The best racing would be a 2 and 4 stroke mixed event – Choose your poison / weapon.
If 4t wins, then so be it. The same in reverse.
Freedom of choice. (Everybody’s basic right)
Honesty in capacity. (What the AMA was meant to do in the first place)
This may even (Doubt it) draw KTM and others off the fence and get the FI out and onto the market. NOW!!!!!
Let the best man win – let the best weapon take him there.
Just taking a liberty to add a few 500cc clips for kicks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2nWLH7KhHc Free for all Endurocross
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajoA6HInk7U This gives me goose bumps
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6ZoolougbE Great for your iPod played on repeat
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIqrF47v92Q Shock & awe
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7aL9h-t4Zk any doubt about torque?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4tcrN4ocuU 300miles, 3 days, just rocks & torque
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mwyjwa-BUT8 2 X CR500’s and a pile of others
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfJL0jX-drE 300exc & 250 dyno – Pause and full screen 2 C results
Fear when a 2 stroke is near
By MXLord327 on November 2nd, 2009 at 7:08 pm
I just read on the RacerX website that 250 2 strokes will be legal in the WMA for 2010, at least the women will be lucky enough to ride a real motocross bike!!
By SCOOTER042 on November 2nd, 2009 at 9:01 pm
Letting 2 strokes race in WMA is a step in the right direction. At this point working any angle possible to keep the tides turning is good. More and more 2 strokes are turning up at tracks now. I have seen an increase from 3 years ago till now from 5% to at least 35% at the places we ride and race. It very clear that the 4 stroke greenwash is being exposed and people are seeing the light. With the 450’s weighing 38 pounds more and costing thousands more to buy and maintain, they are starting to wear on people.
By redrider721 on November 4th, 2009 at 12:15 am
I can understand the dicision. Thanks DC it was worth a try. We as two stroke riders will keep them going. My 01 CR 250(TMR motor/ FC suspension/RG3 22mm clamps) handles just as well as my friends 09 yz450. Thats all that maters to me. Until I ride a bike better than my 01 I will continue to ride it and be happy with it. I think AJ at Service Honda has a good thing going. I hopefully will be able to purchase a 500 from them when I get out of collage. Keep your heads up and maybe something better in a 2 stroke will come out some day! What we have available now is real good! If we ride them they will make them. With fuel prices the way they are racing is hard to afford on a 4 stroke. If ameatures ride them they will come back!
By rehrig117 on January 26th, 2010 at 10:01 pm
this whole debate is bullshit..!! I ride a 2 stroke and a 4 stroke and the 2 stroke has the lightness and the power, while the 4 stroke is heavy and torquey..They should be allowed in the same class..personally there should be a 250 2 stroke class and a 4 stroke class..plus the 2 stroke is cheaper by thousands, and it only needs a $120 rebuild once a year compared to every 40 hours and about $800 every 2 months on the 4 stroke..So pretty much like everyone else says its just pencil pushers wantin more money and going along with this global warming crap..the ama is off their nuts and i cant stand it..so i say just keep buyin 2 strokes and dont buy 4 strokes and bring em back alive!!
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