Comments on: Open Letter from an Unhappy MX Fan http://twostrokemotocross.com/2009/06/open-letter-from-an-unhappy-mx-fan/ The source for two stroke News, Tech and Tips. Sat, 31 Jul 2010 19:12:10 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Chris2T http://twostrokemotocross.com/2009/06/open-letter-from-an-unhappy-mx-fan/comment-page-1/#comment-705 Chris2T Thu, 31 Dec 2009 01:57:07 +0000 http://twostrokemotocross.com/?p=1314#comment-705 Rather than blame the AMA, i blame the manufacturers. The AMA is just along for the ride, i honestly don't believe they have much say in the matter anymore. In other words they are powerless. Look at it from the AMA's perspective: the japanese clearly dominate motocross and the japanese have decided to throw all their money into 4 stroke development. The japanese want their "latest and greatest" represented, and they want them winning races. There's big money involved, and the japanese have the AMA squarely in their pockets. Do you really think the AMA is all of the sudden going to say "yes, we'll allow inexpensive and possibly outdated 250 2T's to compete and trounce the latest japanese 250 4T offerings, manufacturers be damned"?? It's a simple (albeit painful and sad) lesson in economics. Until all the japanese mfg's - Honda especially - agree that it's in their best interest to promote a 2 stroke, you won't see rules changed. There's simply too much money tied up in 4 strokes. Sucks but it's true. Riders have to start voting with their wallets and buying 2 strokes. Talking sense and logic and reasoning will not do a damn thing. Everyone buying 2 stroke's is the single solitary way it's ever going to change. From what i hear on forums like dirtrider.net it sounds like a revolution may be taking hold but the reality may be different Chris Rather than blame the AMA, i blame the manufacturers. The AMA is just along for the ride, i honestly don’t believe they have much say in the matter anymore. In other words they are powerless. Look at it from the AMA’s perspective: the japanese clearly dominate motocross and the japanese have decided to throw all their money into 4 stroke development. The japanese want their “latest and greatest” represented, and they want them winning races. There’s big money involved, and the japanese have the AMA squarely in their pockets. Do you really think the AMA is all of the sudden going to say “yes, we’ll allow inexpensive and possibly outdated 250 2T’s to compete and trounce the latest japanese 250 4T offerings, manufacturers be damned”?? It’s a simple (albeit painful and sad) lesson in economics. Until all the japanese mfg’s – Honda especially – agree that it’s in their best interest to promote a 2 stroke, you won’t see rules changed. There’s simply too much money tied up in 4 strokes. Sucks but it’s true. Riders have to start voting with their wallets and buying 2 strokes. Talking sense and logic and reasoning will not do a damn thing. Everyone buying 2 stroke’s is the single solitary way it’s ever going to change. From what i hear on forums like dirtrider.net it sounds like a revolution may be taking hold but the reality may be different

Chris

]]> By: yellowheels http://twostrokemotocross.com/2009/06/open-letter-from-an-unhappy-mx-fan/comment-page-1/#comment-703 yellowheels Wed, 30 Dec 2009 14:23:11 +0000 http://twostrokemotocross.com/?p=1314#comment-703 Finally, someone who can verbalize what millions of parents are feeling... We just left the 85 class where he was extremely competitive and must now make tough decisions on his riding future. Luckily, we have an old 04 125 that I fixed up and may try to find a SX150. Other than that, guess it's goodbye MX.... Thanks again for the great article. Finally, someone who can verbalize what millions of parents are feeling… We just left the 85 class where he was extremely competitive and must now make tough decisions on his riding future. Luckily, we have an old 04 125 that I fixed up and may try to find a SX150. Other than that, guess it’s goodbye MX….

Thanks again for the great article.

]]> By: SPYDERWOLF http://twostrokemotocross.com/2009/06/open-letter-from-an-unhappy-mx-fan/comment-page-1/#comment-355 SPYDERWOLF Wed, 15 Jul 2009 02:22:08 +0000 http://twostrokemotocross.com/?p=1314#comment-355 LONG LIVE 2 STROKES LONG LIVE 2 STROKES

]]> By: irace2tmotos http://twostrokemotocross.com/2009/06/open-letter-from-an-unhappy-mx-fan/comment-page-1/#comment-324 irace2tmotos Fri, 03 Jul 2009 04:17:12 +0000 http://twostrokemotocross.com/?p=1314#comment-324 Send your broken bike bills to the AMA and the manufacturers! Buy an auto which uses a 4 junk engine and they give you a warryentee. I guess they don't believe the engine will hold together either pr else they would garentee them for a least a year or two. No they want or expect you to buy a new bike every year and toss the old ones away. That's the problem two strokes were too good! Send your broken bike bills to the AMA and the manufacturers! Buy an auto which uses a 4 junk engine and they give you a warryentee. I guess they don’t believe the engine will hold together either pr else they would garentee them for a least a year or two. No they want or expect you to buy a new bike every year and toss the old ones away. That’s the problem two strokes were too good!

]]> By: SCOOTER042 http://twostrokemotocross.com/2009/06/open-letter-from-an-unhappy-mx-fan/comment-page-1/#comment-314 SCOOTER042 Tue, 30 Jun 2009 05:42:23 +0000 http://twostrokemotocross.com/?p=1314#comment-314 This is the sad truth. Politics is a bitch. This time the big 4 have pushed too hard and everyone is starting to see the shenanigans. I will never buy a $ stroke. It’s too much fun to pass a 450 on the inside! Did the AMA really think that riders were really this stupid? I guess they did. BRAAAAAAP! This is the sad truth. Politics is a bitch. This time the big 4 have pushed too hard and everyone is starting to see the shenanigans. I will never buy a $ stroke. It’s too much fun to pass a 450 on the inside!

Did the AMA really think that riders were really this stupid? I guess they did.

BRAAAAAAP!

]]> By: mickey http://twostrokemotocross.com/2009/06/open-letter-from-an-unhappy-mx-fan/comment-page-1/#comment-313 mickey Tue, 30 Jun 2009 04:24:05 +0000 http://twostrokemotocross.com/?p=1314#comment-313 I also agree 100%. I recently bought an 09 YZ250 2T and it is a fantastic bike. I could of bought a 450, but I thought of the cost, maintenance and upkeep compared to the 2T. It just made more sense to me to spring for the 2T. It is a shame that to be serious and competitive about your moto one has to be hit in the wallet and spend more time in the garage. Im not knockin the thumper, its just sad to see the sport you love, in my opinion, mismanaged. I had gotten back into riding after six years away. I will not moto any more for just the very reasons that have been given in the letter and comments above. I remember when I could ride my bike 2-3 yrs and trade it in for a new one because there was still a market for used bikes. I dont see the sport being able to grow. When will it get to be too much? I also agree 100%. I recently bought an 09 YZ250 2T and it is a fantastic bike. I could of bought a 450, but I thought of the cost, maintenance and upkeep compared to the 2T. It just made more sense to me to spring for the 2T. It is a shame that to be serious and competitive about your moto one has to be hit in the wallet and spend more time in the garage. Im not knockin the thumper, its just sad to see the sport you love, in my opinion, mismanaged. I had gotten back into riding after six years away. I will not moto any more for just the very reasons that have been given in the letter and comments above. I remember when I could ride my bike 2-3 yrs and trade it in for a new one because there was still a market for used bikes. I dont see the sport being able to grow. When will it get to be too much?

]]> By: Targo http://twostrokemotocross.com/2009/06/open-letter-from-an-unhappy-mx-fan/comment-page-1/#comment-312 Targo Tue, 30 Jun 2009 01:54:58 +0000 http://twostrokemotocross.com/?p=1314#comment-312 Nice rant but I agree 100% and I will never own a 4T. Nice rant but I agree 100% and I will never own a 4T.

]]> By: JohnNicholas http://twostrokemotocross.com/2009/06/open-letter-from-an-unhappy-mx-fan/comment-page-1/#comment-310 JohnNicholas Mon, 29 Jun 2009 21:23:51 +0000 http://twostrokemotocross.com/?p=1314#comment-310 What I don't understand is how a rule that afforded the four-stroke a displacement advantage was even passed in the first place!! As JustEnduro's article points out, cheating by means of increasing displacement was frowned upon for years. All of a sudden (okay in 1997) it's fine to use an overbore to compete. I just don't get it. I know that folks have talked about four-strokes being really reliable and that some have had no troubles with them. This may be true at a club type level, but when you move onto a series like Loretta Lynn's everything changes. It becomes big business. Tales of bikes costing more than $35,000. is not unusual. And the guys that have them normally have more than one. This is not what a grass roots racer could afford on a normal salary. When the bikes are in this state of tune they do blow up on a regular basis. Or they are rebuilt on a very aggressive schedule. In comparison is it even possible to invest $35,000. in a two stroke? I think not! Anyone that thinks that racers attempting to compete in Pro-Racing can afford this investment is greatly mistaken. Just look at the empty gates at the start of the Outdoors Nationals. Back in the two stroke days there were qualifiers and full gates. Just think for a moment what that means... How many people have just walked away from the sport because the cost to compete has gotten out-of-hand? Locally more racers are moving to two-strokes. And many more are talking about making the change. A revolution of sorts is in the works. The only way to be heard is to speak up and voice your opinion. What do you say? What I don’t understand is how a rule that afforded the four-stroke a displacement advantage was even passed in the first place!! As JustEnduro’s article points out, cheating by means of increasing displacement was frowned upon for years.

All of a sudden (okay in 1997) it’s fine to use an overbore to compete. I just don’t get it.

I know that folks have talked about four-strokes being really reliable and that some have had no troubles with them. This may be true at a club type level, but when you move onto a series like Loretta Lynn’s everything changes.

It becomes big business. Tales of bikes costing more than $35,000. is not unusual. And the guys that have them normally have more than one.

This is not what a grass roots racer could afford on a normal salary.

When the bikes are in this state of tune they do blow up on a regular basis. Or they are rebuilt on a very aggressive schedule.

In comparison is it even possible to invest $35,000. in a two stroke?

I think not!

Anyone that thinks that racers attempting to compete in Pro-Racing can afford this investment is greatly mistaken. Just look at the empty gates at the start of the Outdoors Nationals.

Back in the two stroke days there were qualifiers and full gates. Just think for a moment what that means…

How many people have just walked away from the sport because the cost to compete has gotten out-of-hand?

Locally more racers are moving to two-strokes. And many more are talking about making the change.

A revolution of sorts is in the works. The only way to be heard is to speak up and voice your opinion.

What do you say?

]]> By: Check this out! - E2S http://twostrokemotocross.com/2009/06/open-letter-from-an-unhappy-mx-fan/comment-page-1/#comment-309 Check this out! - E2S Mon, 29 Jun 2009 15:29:32 +0000 http://twostrokemotocross.com/?p=1314#comment-309 [...] out what this fan has to say about 4 pokes and what is really happening with motocross today. Open Letter from an Unhappy MX Fan :: twostrokemotocross.com __________________ I feel the need, the need for [...] [...] out what this fan has to say about 4 pokes and what is really happening with motocross today. Open Letter from an Unhappy MX Fan :: twostrokemotocross.com __________________ I feel the need, the need for [...]

]]> By: speedracer01 http://twostrokemotocross.com/2009/06/open-letter-from-an-unhappy-mx-fan/comment-page-1/#comment-308 speedracer01 Mon, 29 Jun 2009 15:25:08 +0000 http://twostrokemotocross.com/?p=1314#comment-308 I agree 100%! I love my 2 stroke and really can't stand a 4 poke. They just don't do it for me. I've tried riding several and they're really not that fun to me. I don't have any problem out running so called superior 450s with my KTM 250sx. Although, I think they should bump the 450s to 500s, and have a 250 and 500 class. I'd love to see 500 2ts running again. We'd then see what is really superior and where the real power is when it comes to motors. Wish the AMA would realize what's happening. I agree 100%! I love my 2 stroke and really can’t stand a 4 poke. They just don’t do it for me. I’ve tried riding several and they’re really not that fun to me. I don’t have any problem out running so called superior 450s with my KTM 250sx. Although, I think they should bump the 450s to 500s, and have a 250 and 500 class. I’d love to see 500 2ts running again. We’d then see what is really superior and where the real power is when it comes to motors. Wish the AMA would realize what’s happening.

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