Two Stroke on the Comeback!

By iamsofaking on December 18th, 2008 at 2:16 pm

Its about time!

By theduke135 on December 18th, 2008 at 3:52 pm

Thats good news lets go apples to apples on Displacement. Lets put some CR 500 AF’s in with the 450’s Class lets see what happens. Of course we would need some good riders on them.

By 2smoker on December 18th, 2008 at 4:07 pm

Please all 2 stroke fans out there..it is time to stand up for something and make a difference.. How many times you see fights 2 stroke vs 4 stroke over the comments on Youtube or any dirt bikes forums over the web??? too many times..but the problem is that it won’t change anything at all.. I encourage any people involve in the industry as well as riders..from beginners to pro.. to leave positive and constructive comments,opinions about what you really think about anything surrounding the 2 stroke… 4 stroke era?, FIM & AMA displacements rules, 2 stroke bikes itself, the cost of racing, the noise,the safety…anything going through your mine about the subject…

My name is Frederic Malenfant, ex inter. pro racer (12 years)on the CMRC and challenge Quebec racing circuit here in Canada. I left the sport since 4 strokes showed up on the tracks and rules changed.. Wasn’t able to afford racing anymore.period. I grew up on a 2 stroke 85cc…so always like the light, nimble feeling of a 2 stroke.. The 4 stroke are clearly a disadvantage with all the new technical supercross style tracks.. you see more and more injuries every day.Ask Ernesto Fonseca as a example..Also you see more DNFs.. went to see the Nationals races in Calgary last year with earplugs..can you imagine!! and I saw so many DNFs..during the whole day..it wasn’t even funny and a red flag during a start(450) because one of the guy stalled on the first corner..Never saw that in my entire career as a racer… I don’t like the sound of it at all.It is a big turn-off for me and the spectators…you just want to go home after the first moto.. It doesn’t have any personality at all..just sound like a farmer tractor…very boring..I use to like the indoors race just to hear the 2 bangers at the starting gate!!Yummy!!I always like the distinctive sound of it..the brappppp!the motocross sound! that sound that every kids mimic with their toys!Esthetically.. the new four stroke are really ugly..Unattractive,Big frame big muffler.. there is no 4 strokes on the market that will beat the look of my old YZ or RM 250.. There is no aggressive lines, no charm, no “I want to ride it” feelings at all..Feel like cheating every time I ride one! So easy to ride, you stay in 3 gear and you could do the entire track.. since when our sport is easy?? too much traction also and weight to transfer & land. You have to change your riding style completely.. you don’t have the feelings that you are in control of the bike at all.. I like to go through all the gears and burn clutch plates with my 2 strokes. I like to scrub every jumps and whip it all the times…To rev the damn thing and stay on the pipe!! Just an amazing feelings that no 4 stroke can do! Mechanically 4 stroke are junk and expensive.He takes 45 minutes to change a top-end on 2 stroke. Put a sleeve in here and bring some Wiseco top-ends and you are good to go!!!They are fun to work on and we actually have room to play..Since the four strokes new era..Who is going to buy a used one??? They just killed this market right there.. So what is next?? Where our sport is going like that??? We are the people buying, racing the bikes so we have the power. I want the displacements rules to be fair.. Like the new FIM rules for 2010. Go buy 2 used 2 stroke dirt bikes instead of a new 4 stroke!Ask for 2 strokes videos on Transworldmx and motocross.com..Would you like to see James bubba ripping on a YZ 250??? Write letters to motocross mags..Do something that will make a difference. I want my sport back! Unique,affordable,Safer,Agressive & FUN yeah FUN!All you need is one kick!!!!!

Please leave comments here. Do your job as a rider, don’t be a spectator.

Fred in Canada!

By 2smoker on December 19th, 2008 at 1:28 am

As a Privateer rider, we should have the last word on the displacement rules because we are the sport of Motocross, Enough said. AMA is just wrong and narrow-minded. Let us ride! I hope some 250cc 2 stroke riders do good in the class next year.The spectators will also appreciate it!

By 2stroketony on December 22nd, 2008 at 1:58 pm

Gentlemen,

Thank you for your recent decisions to allow 2 stroke engines, beginning in 2010, into the traditional “Open Class”, MX3. Allowing both 1 cylinder or 2, it allows for more development opportunities for manufacturers, increased competition between racing teams, more exciting racing for the spectators, and an avenue of less expense for those who choose to race with 2 cycle engines. Ultimately this will be good for fans, good for competitors, good for manufacturers of cycles, and good for aftermarket suppliers resulting in a long term boost to the motorcycle economy world-wide.

May I suggest that the MX1 class be allowed to have what it did in the past, a maximum displacement of 125cc’s. This is a well known distinction within the United States and remains at so many local events and race series. If the reasons to consider a higher displacement are to accommodate manufacturers making 150 to 200 cc cycles, I would argue that they are interested in sales, and not racing with the interest of bringing up younger riders that learn their trade on the smaller displacement bikes such as the 125cc’s. I submit that within the United States and South Africa too, racers follow your European lead to an extent, and to deviate from the 125cc MX1 class to allow higher displacements would be to reject what is so often already common place. Please make the MX1 125cc maximum and both 2 and 4 cycle engines as in the past. It will be the best medium between the 65cc juniors and the 250cc class.

Lastly your standards for sound reduction are welcomed by me, and many other riders in the America as needed and required for continued enjoyment of the sport of motocross. Engine technology has boosted power output enough in the recent past that significant sound reduction can be achieved without making power losses unacceptable. Your efforts in reducing the sound signature are commendable and are being emulated in America in many racing venues including my own form of riding in Vintage motocross racing.

Thank you for the opportunity to present these suggestions. I look forward to watching an exciting 2009 and 2010 season.

Sincerely,

A J “Tony” Campagna
AHRMA Competitor c57

By brandonjames15 on January 3rd, 2009 at 5:02 pm

yz125!!!

By The General on January 7th, 2009 at 3:48 pm

Hi Mitchell,

Keep up the good fight. The four-strokes have been forced upon the motocross racing public.

In no other form of motor sport racing has such a displacement advantage ever been approved. No matter what anyone says, the only reason four-strokes are competitive now is because of the displacement advantage.

Any time anyone mentions straight up competition (250T vs 250F) the four stroke riders complain it’s unfair. But how fair was it to eliminate 125cc two-strokes by having them race against 250F four strokes?

Our sport really needs the 125 class for a couple of good reasons. It is a low cost way to get involved with racing motocross. It is the next logical step for mini riders moving up to full size bikes. Plus, as any racer that truly knows how to ride fast will tell you, racing a 125 two stroke makes you a better rider.

Thank you for your comments. This site is for riders like you. The two stroke faithful want to hear good, supportive news about their engine of choice. This site is dedicated to every one of you!

Braaap!

By fabricio magalhaes on January 9th, 2009 at 3:04 pm

brasilian motocross 2009 category mx2 250 2t vs 250 4t aprovado
BRASIL 2009 250 TWO STROKE VS 250 FOUR STROKE CAT MX2.

By mike868y on February 11th, 2009 at 3:29 am

This is great news. However, I still believe that for the top racers, the four stroke will remain their bike of choice. The factories are too entrenched in the development of the four-stroke and it would be economically unfeasible for them to entirely switch back to two strokes.

However, as the economy worsens and riders short on cash look for new ways to cut costs, I believe that the two stroke may make a comeback. They are still competitive bikes and are cheaper to buy and to maintain. For a privateer looking to save some cash, the two stroke is almost the perfect option.

By frankieb on February 23rd, 2009 at 12:06 am

heres my thoughts on this. i recently got back into motocross after a long fear of re-injuring myself, but i left the sport after all the rules changed and i saw the 2Ts go to the dinosaurs. but if this rule is to come into effect it would go to show how efficient the 2T really is, power to weight ratio is ungodly and they are actually quieter with racing pipes on. the fun ratio is way better i think in that you actually have to have talent to ride them. they are waaaaaaayy cheaper to maintain and that is good for people like me, who’d like to race, but cant afford it. i always thought that the ama was sabatoging the 2T because it had a clear advantage and they said “it was bad for the atmosphere”. bullcrap, all fossil fuel burning vehicles are bad for this earth! im all for preserving our earth, but until my bike is running on water i will always support the best “SIMPLE” technology in a bike.

more moving parts= more money.
im broke in this economy.

By losec on November 19th, 2009 at 3:58 pm

wait a minute now…. So its finally time for 250 2t in the mx2 GP?? Have I gotten this straight??