Comments on: The Two-Stroke is only dead if you kill it yourself http://twostrokemotocross.com/2008/12/the-two-stroke-is-only-dead-if-you-kill-it-yourself/ The source for two stroke News, Tech and Tips. Sat, 31 Jul 2010 19:12:10 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: VintageBlueSmoke http://twostrokemotocross.com/2008/12/the-two-stroke-is-only-dead-if-you-kill-it-yourself/comment-page-1/#comment-144 VintageBlueSmoke Wed, 21 Jan 2009 17:52:21 +0000 http://twostrokemotocross.com/?p=474#comment-144 "I have had at least 3 four stoke bikes in the last 5 years and I still do not get it" Amigos, I think you are missing the point. 4-strokes haven't taken over becasue they are faster, easier to ride, or make the manufacturers more profits. They have taken over because the US and other governments have pressured them to producing motorcycles that have reduced emissions. Then the marketing teams when to work on the masses to swing you over. "I’m a little blown away that there isn’t a dedicated 2-stroke class here in the states..." There will come a day when you will not be allowed to race your CR500 even on a closed course due to environmental pressures. "Lets see a race between a 125cc two stroke and a 125cc four stroke. Guess which one would win?" As fond of 2-strokes as I am, with today's available tech, the 4-stroke would win...because the 2-stroke would not be alowed to start if they had to meet the same environmental standards. What we need is for someone to build a competitive CLEAN 2-stroke. It's the only way to save them. “I have had at least 3 four stoke bikes in the last 5 years and I still do not get it”

Amigos, I think you are missing the point. 4-strokes haven’t taken over becasue they are faster, easier to ride, or make the manufacturers more profits. They have taken over because the US and other governments have pressured them to producing motorcycles that have reduced emissions. Then the marketing teams when to work on the masses to swing you over.

“I’m a little blown away that there isn’t a dedicated 2-stroke class here in the states…”

There will come a day when you will not be allowed to race your CR500 even on a closed course due to environmental pressures.

“Lets see a race between a 125cc two stroke and a 125cc four stroke. Guess which one would win?”

As fond of 2-strokes as I am, with today’s available tech, the 4-stroke would win…because the 2-stroke would not be alowed to start if they had to meet the same environmental standards.

What we need is for someone to build a competitive CLEAN 2-stroke. It’s the only way to save them.

]]> By: Mick http://twostrokemotocross.com/2008/12/the-two-stroke-is-only-dead-if-you-kill-it-yourself/comment-page-1/#comment-101 Mick Thu, 08 Jan 2009 16:43:28 +0000 http://twostrokemotocross.com/?p=474#comment-101 I'm a little blown away that there isn't a dedicated 2-stroke class here in the states. I think it really reflects Americans zombie mentallity, and the desire to ride what is perceieved to be "new and cool". This up and coming generation I see now in the states, they don't even know what a 2-stroke is / was? When all somebody knows is one thing, they don't miss the other. I’m a little blown away that there isn’t a dedicated 2-stroke class here in the states. I think it really reflects Americans zombie mentallity, and the desire to ride what is perceieved to be “new and cool”. This up and coming generation I see now in the states, they don’t even know what a 2-stroke is / was? When all somebody knows is one thing, they don’t miss the other.

]]> By: stevemx144 http://twostrokemotocross.com/2008/12/the-two-stroke-is-only-dead-if-you-kill-it-yourself/comment-page-1/#comment-91 stevemx144 Wed, 07 Jan 2009 23:25:24 +0000 http://twostrokemotocross.com/?p=474#comment-91 I do think we should all try and get out of the way manufactures and media hype for the four strokes and make us believe that four stroke is the way. I have had at least 3 four stoke bikes in the last 5 years and I still do not get it,,, fours are nice to ride and easy, but two stokes are the way for me and many other for that matter but people seam to follow trends. I will support 2 strokes here in Scotland Uk and I am trying my best to get my fellow moto xers to convert by simply showing the facts... fast, fun, light, easy to maintain and of course cheaper to run than the fours. I am now riding a TM MX 144 2stroke. Thanks TM for supporting 2 stoke I do think we should all try and get out of the way manufactures and media hype for the four strokes and make us believe that four stroke is the way. I have had at least 3 four stoke bikes in the last 5 years and I still do not get it,,, fours are nice to ride and easy, but two stokes are the way for me and many other for that matter but people seam to follow trends. I will support 2 strokes here in Scotland Uk and I am trying my best to get my fellow moto xers to convert by simply showing the facts… fast, fun, light, easy to maintain and of course cheaper to run than the fours.

I am now riding a TM MX 144 2stroke. Thanks TM for supporting 2 stoke

]]> By: The General http://twostrokemotocross.com/2008/12/the-two-stroke-is-only-dead-if-you-kill-it-yourself/comment-page-1/#comment-76 The General Tue, 30 Dec 2008 11:58:35 +0000 http://twostrokemotocross.com/?p=474#comment-76 Reenee, You are right... the racers here in the USA that believe in the two strokes should be racing them. Get your buddies together, show up at the track and ask that a two stroke class be added. Whenever two strokes compete many fans get excited. It would be interesting to see how the class would grow after a few races. KXROOSTER Every time people talk about the four stroke being faster, they leave out one important factor. Displacement! Yes in most cases if you have double the displacement you will have a faster machine. Lets see a race between a 125cc two stroke and a 125cc four stroke. Guess which one would win? Reenee,

You are right… the racers here in the USA that believe in the two strokes should be racing them. Get your buddies together, show up at the track and ask that a two stroke class be added. Whenever two strokes compete many fans get excited. It would be interesting to see how the class would grow after a few races.

KXROOSTER

Every time people talk about the four stroke being faster, they leave out one important factor. Displacement! Yes in most cases if you have double the displacement you will have a faster machine.

Lets see a race between a 125cc two stroke and a 125cc four stroke. Guess which one would win?

]]> By: KXROOSTER http://twostrokemotocross.com/2008/12/the-two-stroke-is-only-dead-if-you-kill-it-yourself/comment-page-1/#comment-70 KXROOSTER Mon, 29 Dec 2008 08:24:48 +0000 http://twostrokemotocross.com/?p=474#comment-70 I went into my local Suzuki/Kawasaki dealer to get some parts and just for kicks asked the sales clerk if he thought the new 2008 fuel injected KX 250's could beat the old two stroke KX's..he said"oh you have no idea ..the new bikes would leave those old two strokes a mile behind in the dust!"...I almost fell down laughing..damn salesman! imagine the poor kids falling for that line...as they say...ide rather push my two stroke than ride a four stroke! I went into my local Suzuki/Kawasaki dealer to get some parts and just for kicks asked the sales clerk if he thought the new 2008 fuel injected KX 250’s could beat the old two stroke KX’s..he said”oh you have no idea ..the new bikes would leave those old two strokes a mile behind in the dust!”…I almost fell down laughing..damn salesman! imagine the poor kids falling for that line…as they say…ide rather push my two stroke than ride a four stroke!

]]> By: reenee http://twostrokemotocross.com/2008/12/the-two-stroke-is-only-dead-if-you-kill-it-yourself/comment-page-1/#comment-28 reenee Sun, 14 Dec 2008 11:50:15 +0000 http://twostrokemotocross.com/?p=474#comment-28 Great article, and so true. All you US racers, do as we are doing in the UK and vote with your feet as we now have a selection of 2st Championships for our premix diehard's, so if a club doesn't offer a class for you and your buddies either, find one that does or create a class and approach a promoter yourselves ! Great news too, as the UK's leading schoolboy Championships "The RedBull Elite" are now allowing 250 2st's in the mx2 or 250f class, lets just see if all those riders that jumped ship, jump back ? "wake up and smell the premix" Great article, and so true. All you US racers, do as we are doing in the UK and vote with your feet as we now have a selection of 2st Championships for our premix diehard’s, so if a club doesn’t offer a class for you and your buddies either, find one that does or create a class and approach a promoter yourselves ! Great news too, as the UK’s leading schoolboy Championships “The RedBull Elite” are now allowing 250 2st’s in the mx2 or 250f class, lets just see if all those riders that jumped ship, jump back ? “wake up and smell the premix”

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